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2013
14
January
The Official Guide For Canadians Flying Out Of U.S. Airports (from Calgary & area)
14
January
This guide will attempt to organize everything someone living in the Calgary area might want to know about flying out of U.S. airports.
If you see anything in this guide that looks incorrect, out of date, or could just simply be improved with better info, please don't hesitate to contact me and I'll fix / update it.
Flying out of Kalispell, Montana (FCA)
How long of a drive is it?
According to Google Maps, Kalispell airport is about a 5 hour drive from Calgary (479 km each way). map link
Don't forget to account for border-crossing times in each direction. You can find estimated wait times online.
estimated wait times at U.S. border
estimated wait times at Canadian border
Tips:
- If you travel to the States a lot you may wish to get a NEXUS card for $50 (US) for 5 years and eliminate the line ups at borders and airports. [Info on how to apply for NEXUS]
Are there good deals to be had?
Typically, the only good deals out of Kalispell are found on Allegiant Air. Kalispell airport also has flights on Alaska Airlines, Delta, and United.
strengths:
By far the most likely reason a Calgarian would want to make the trek down to Great Falls to fly somewhere is to get to Las Vegas for a lower price than out of YYC. Typically this would be using Allegiant Air. The only other destination that Allegiant flys to from Kalispell is Oakland (which could be used as a way to get to San Francisco, just across the bridge).
weaknesses:
Internationally, deals out of Kalispell are less likely to be much cheaper, or can involve more complicated and lengthier routes than flying out of YYC. It's a smaller airport, and it's only real strength, as far as someone from Calgary would be concerned, is for cheap flights to Vegas. Also, when comparing costs, be aware that Allegiant charges extra for absolutely everything, including even carry-on luggage now.
How much would I have to save for it to be worth the drive?
This is a tricky question, because the answer is different for everyone, based on the variables involved. But costs you should consider factoring into your comparison (besides the roundtrip flight price) include:
- extra fuel costs (how fuel efficient is your vehicle?)
- baggage costs
- parking your vehicle at the airport
- cost of hotel if it requires an overnight stay
- how much your time is worth
- extra vehicle depreciation
I've created an Excel spreadsheet to help calculate what the true savings are when flying out of Kalispell:
click here to download the spreadsheet in Excel format
or
try the U.S. Airports Savings Calculator via Google Docs
screenshot: (click to enlarge)
Go to the YYC vs FCA worksheet and enter in a few variables to calculate what your true savings would be. Using common averages, I've found that if the flight from Kalispell is about $375/person less than the flight from Calgary, the average person is only breaking even.
In my opinion, when the flight from Kalispell is at least $475 less per person than the flight from Calgary, it becomes worth the drive. This is based on my calculations using average factors, and 2 people in a vehicle. You can see the example in the spreadsheet that was used to draw this conclusion.
How much is parking?
Parking is currently $7/day, or $42/week, according to the Kalispell Airport website.
Is there any public transportation from Calgary to Kalispell airport?
There are no great options unfortunately.
Links
Flying out of Great Falls, Montana (GTF)
How long of a drive is it?
According to Google Maps, Great Falls airport is about a 5 hour drive from Calgary (511 km each way). map link
Don't forget to account for border-crossing times in each direction. You can find estimated wait times online.
estimated wait times at U.S. border
estimated wait times at Canadian border
Tips:
- If you travel to the States a lot you may wish to get a NEXUS card for $50 (US) for 5 years and eliminate the line ups at borders and airports. [Info on how to apply for NEXUS]
Are there good deals to be had?
Typically, the only good deals out of Great Falls are found on Allegiant Air. Great Falls airport also has flights on Alaska Airlines, Delta, Frontier Airlines and United.
strengths:
By far the most likely reason a Calgarian would want to make the trek down to Great Falls to fly somewhere is to get to Las Vegas for a lower price than out of YYC. Typically this would be using Allegiant Air. The only other destinations that Allegiant flys to from Great Falls are in Arizona (Phoenix and Scottsdale). Frontier Airlines is also a low-cost carrier, and they fly to a number of U.S. cities, usually via Denver.
weaknesses:
Internationally, deals out of Great Falls are less likely to be much cheaper, or can involve more complicated and lengthier routes than flying out of YYC. It's a smaller airport, and it's only real strength, as far as someone from Calgary would be concerned, is for cheap flights to Vegas or Phoenix. Also, when comparing costs, be aware that Allegiant charges extra for absolutely everything, including even carry-on luggage now.
How much would I have to save for it to be worth the drive?
This is a tricky question, because the answer is different for everyone, based on the variables involved. But costs you should consider factoring into your comparison (besides the roundtrip flight price) include:
- extra fuel costs (how fuel efficient is your vehicle?)
- baggage costs
- parking your vehicle at the airport
- cost of hotel if it requires an overnight stay
- how much your time is worth
- extra vehicle depreciation
I've created an Excel spreadsheet to help calculate what the true savings are when flying out of Great Falls:
click here to download the spreadsheet in Excel format
or
try the U.S. Airports Savings Calculator via Google Docs
screenshot: (click to enlarge)
If you've downloaded the Excel file, please note that you will need to switch to the YYC vs GTF worksheet at the bottom of Excel.
Go to the YYC vs GTF worksheet and enter in a few variables to calculate what your true savings would be. Using common averages, I've found that if the flight from Great Falls is about $400/person less than the flight from Calgary, the average person is only breaking even.
In my opinion, when the flight from Great Falls is at least $500 less per person than the flight from Calgary, it becomes worth the drive. This is based on my calculations using average factors, and 2 people in a vehicle. You can see the example in the spreadsheet that was used to draw this conclusion.
How much is parking?
Parking is currently around $9.00/day, $35/week at Great Falls Airport.
Is there any public transportation from Calgary to Great Falls airport?
There are no great options unfortunately.
Links
Conclusion
There are cities in Canada where it can make sense to drive across the border to catch a flight for a cheaper holiday. Unfortunately, I don't think Calgary is one of them. The 5 hour drive each way is the most prohibitive factor. To make any sense at all for a person to do it, I think at *least* one or more of the following would have to be true:
- you live far south of Calgary, with a shorter drive to one of Montana's airports. From Lethbridge for example, it's only about a half hour more to drive to GTF than to drive to YYC. This results in the flight from Great Falls only needing to be $50 less than the flight from Calgary to break even. Big difference.
- you don't value your time as being worth much. Or you consider the drive to Montana as having added value (perhaps as part of a golf or shopping trip)
- you have a minimum of 4 people in the car.
- the flight cost is at least $500/person cheaper than flying from Calgary. This is possible, but with Las Vegas or Phoenix being the most likely suspects for an extremely cheap flight out of Montana, and it being fairly common to see flights to Phoenix or Vegas in the $400-$500 roundtrip after taxes range from YYC, the flight from Montana would need to be practically free (or the airline paying you to fly) in most cases.
See Something Wrong?
If you see anything in this guide that looks incorrect, out of date, or could just simply be improved with better info, please don't hesitate to contact me and I'll fix / update it.
2011
12
September
Kalispell to Chicago - $200 roundtrip after taxes - any date
12
September
While I do watch for interesting fares out of Montana, the truth is that it's pretty rare to see one that's worth the drive. Allegiant Air has cheap flights to Vegas, but on the major airlines, prices from Montana aren't usually significantly better to warrant the 5 hour drive from Calgary. We're not like Toronto where we can hop across the border to Buffalo. Flying out of the U.S. for us is a significant investment of time.
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2010
31
August
Kalispell to Las Vegas - $80 roundtrip after tax
31
August
Allegiant Air is showing a flight from Kalispell, Montana to Las Vegas for $80 roundtrip after tax. September 13-17.
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2010
16
August
Kalispell to Vegas - $100 roundtrip after tax
16
August
Allegiant Air (out of Kalispell) now has some flights in September for closer to $100 roundtrip after tax to Las Vegas and back.
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